Equity Builder

Want a low risk way to gear up your wealth? Wanna get paid to use other people’s money to invest? Want to borrow money at -1% (yes, minus one percent!) interest? Then read on!

Alright, that may be overdoing it a little. But seriously, NAB’s Equity Builder share investment loan is a nifty product, offering a pretty unique approach to stock gearing in a cosy, relatively safe package. It fills a gap in the gearing market, allowing those without property investments to get their foot in the door. And it really does allow you to positively gear your investments, with a lower interest rate than the expected dividend yields, so it does kind of feel like a negative interest rate.

What is the Equity Builder?

NABEBEquity Builder is a relatively new type of investment loan, started a couple of years ago by the National Australia Bank. It’s sort of a hybrid, a cross between a house mortgage and a stock margin loan. Like a home loan, it’s a Principal & Interest loan, secured against your assets. Like a margin loan, it allows you to invest in the share market. Unlike a margin loan, you don’t have to worry about margin calls if your shares drop in value. It has a variable interest rate of 5.05% per year, and usually has a duration of 10 to 15 years, although this is flexible and there’s no penalty for closing out the loan early. You can use either cash or your existing shares as the deposit to secure the loan. It has a fairly conservative maximum Loan Value Ratio of around 70% to 75%, although this varies slightly depending on which shares you use it to invest in. The biggest limitation is the very short list of shares which you can buy with the money you borrow: you can only invest in large, diversified funds, including most of the big name ETFs, LICs, and managed funds. Luckily for me, almost everything I’d be interested in buying right now is on the list anyway, including VAS, VGS, AFIC, Argo and Milton. You can see the full list of approved investments here, but first you have to click that over to the Equity Builder list.

Once your loan facility has been approved, you need to send NAB a request for them to purchase shares on your behalf. The shares will then be held in trust by NAB’s nominee for the duration of the loan, although all entitlements and dividends associated with those shares go directly to you. After you send them your request to purchase shares, it takes about a week for them to process the purchase, and when they finally do hit the button, the purchase will go through at the current market rates of that day. This means that you can’t target a specific share price, so there’s no point trying to use it for short term trading, since it’s not agile enough to profit from volatility. Your mindset has to be sufficiently long term to not care about short term price fluctuations.

It’s important to note that moving shares into the loan to pay the deposit is not considered a capital gains event.  Moving the shares back into your own personal name at the end isn’t either.  So you’re never forced to pay capital gains tax along the way.  (Unless you decide to sell some of your shares, of course.)

What is it good for?

Despite the limitations, it’s surprisingly versatile. You don’t need to borrow the whole amount in one go, you can apply for a larger amount and spend it in smaller portions whenever you’re ready. If you pay the principal down ahead of schedule, you can re-draw from the difference later on to buy more shares. There are no fees, aside from the interest on the amount you’ve actually borrowed, so you can even use it as a source of dry powder, keeping the funds available for free until you’re ready to deploy them.

Money SproutThe Equity Builder is a great way to save money on brokerage. I often see people online looking for ways to save brokerage on frequent, small share purchases. It’s usually in the context of comparing Vanguard’s ETFs versus managed funds, where ETFs have cheaper ongoing fees, but the managed funds allow free deposits. If you’re the kind of person who wants to make small weekly or monthly deposits into your share holdings, but you don’t want to pay a premium on management fees, then buy cheap ETFs or LICs through the Equity Builder, and make as many repayments as you like. It effectively rolls all of your small transactions into a single up-front $14.95 brokerage fee.

The Equity Builder has gotten some good press from pundits far more knowledgeable than I. The financial product comparison service, Canstar, gave it an award for innovation, for filling a gap in the investment market for investors looking to own shares outright without leveraging real estate equity. Noel Whittaker, author of Borrowing to Invest (which I recently reviewed) , wrote glowing praise of the Equity Builder, for making stock investing more accessible to a broader audience.

Apples and oranges

To properly understand the Equity Builder, we need to compare it with similar products. If you’re looking to gear into stocks, then your options are somewhat limited. The most obvious comparison is with margin loans. Most brokers offer margin loans, at varying interest rates, but all the ones I’ve seen have worse interest rates than the Equity Builder. The biggest drawback with these is the threat of getting a margin call; if your Loan Value Ratio (LVR) goes above a certain limit, then the bank will suddenly demand that you pay the difference to bring your LVR back into line, or else they will sell your investment at the worst possible time. This could be caused by a shudder in the market, decreasing the value of your investment, which is something you have no control of. You can manage this risk by paying down your principal to maintain a safe LVR, but you never really know how sharply your shares could drop in price, so the risk is always there.

Apple OrangeIn contrast with this, the Equity Builder proudly proclaims that it doesn’t do margin calls, so you don’t need to worry about volatility in your stock prices. However, margin loans are typically Interest Only, whereas with the Equity Builder you have to pay off the Principal & Interest each month, meaning your LVR will be constantly improving anyway. In other words, you’re already doing exactly what you’d have to do to avoid the risk of a margin call in a traditional margin loan, so the end result is not very different. The Equity Builder simply takes the decision out of your hands, by forcing you to play it safe. The compulsory monthly principal repayments also mean that your cash flow will take a hit in real terms, even though it’s positively geared, and the bulk of that cash flow hit will be non-deductible. If that bothers you, then get a margin loan instead. If you were planning to pay off the principal to get that juicy equity into your own hands eventually anyway, then the Equity Builder might be perfect for you.

A major benefit of a margin loan versus the Equity Builder is that you’re not limited to the short list of allowed investments. With the Equity Builder you can only invest in a narrow range of LICs, ETFs, and managed funds, whereas with margin loans you can buy pretty much any stock you want. Bear in mind that if you buy risky stocks, your danger of getting a margin call increases, so most advisors will recommend sticking with staid and steady diversified investments, anyway. But again, if you’re after the freedom to pursue a wide range of options, then this is something to consider.

I’m yet to find a CHESS-sponsored margin loan vendor with a better rate than the Equity Builder, but if you know of one, please feel free to leave a comment below. Here are some numbers, to get to the grist of the comparison: The NAB Equity Builder’s interest rate is a flat 5.05% per annum, regardless of the size or duration of your loan. NAB’s own margin loan facility has interest rates ranging from 5.3% (for loans greater than a million dollars) to 6.55%. Rounding out the big 4 banks: ANZ charges from 6.4% to 7%, Commonwealth is 6.5% – 7.4%, and Westpac (via BT) is 6.6% – 7.6%. You can get better rates at some of the more niche brokers.  Interactive Brokers charges only 3.67%, and even lower if you borrow megabucks, but with these non-CHESS sponsored brokers you don’t actually own the shares you buy through them.

Apart from margin loans, the only other option is equity loans, but for these you need to already own a house. If you have a decent amount of property equity, you can get a line of credit to borrow against that equity. This means that if your investment goes pear shaped, then the bank will recoup their losses by taking your house! The upside, of course, is that you’ll get a much better interest rate, usually the same as your mortgage interest rate, probably somewhere around 3 or 4 percent. Banks will give much better rates for investing in property than shares, so the line of credit gives you the best of both worlds. However, if you don’t happen to have a house lying around, then you’re bang out of luck on this front…

Money GearsPositive gearing is best gearing!

If you’re aiming for a passive income stream from dividends, and you’re planning to buy good dividend producing LICs or ETFs, then the Equity Builder is a great option. It’s perfectly tailored to investors chasing financial independence. You get to start earning and compounding dividends much quicker than you would if you were waiting to buy chunks of shares using cash. If you use the loan to invest in Australian equities, then the grossed up franked dividends will be paying you more than the interest will cost you, so you’re effectively being paid free money to invest earlier than you could otherwise! If you don’t believe me, here are some numbers to crunch:

Let’s say you borrow some money and use it to buy shares in Milton (ASX:MLT). I’m not spruiking Milton here, I just picked it because it has a stable dividend history. Milton is currently trading at roughly $4.50, and in the past 12 months it paid 19.2 cents per share in dividends, fully franked. (Remember that Milton has been consistently increasing its dividends faster than inflation for the last 60 years, so, realistically, I don’t see anything threatening that income stream.) That’s a net dividend yield of 4.3%. When you factor in the 100% franking credits on the dividends, that gives you a grossed up annual yield of 6.1% and rising. The Equity Builder loan will cost you 5.05% per annum, so you’re banking the leftover 1.05%. This is what I mean by negative interest, it really is like the interest rate is -1.05%! But it gets even better: the cherry on top is the tax deduction that you’ll get for the interest payments. That pushes the upside even higher, depending on your marginal tax rate.

If that seems too good to be true, then that’s only because the Equity Builder is aimed at a somewhat narrow audience. It’s not for everyone. But if you’re like me, intent on building a portfolio of equities to produce a growing passive income stream, then this is a no-brainer on a silver platter. Get amongst it!

Not your cup of tea?

Money TeaIf you already have a house, then you’re not really the right target audience, and you’d probably be better off getting a line of credit secured against your home equity, then using that to purchase dividend producing shares. (Which would allow you to recycle your debt to turn your non-deductible home mortgage interest into an investment tax deduction!)

Equity Builder is a Principal & Interest loan, so don’t view it as a typical speculative leverage play. It’s not designed for short term trading, and you probably wouldn’t want to use it if you’re hoping to flip shares for capital growth. Use it to buy shares that you’d want to hold long-term and would buy eventually anyway. If you’re looking for the maximum you can borrow, to the limit of the debt that you can afford to service each month, then an Interest Only (IO) loan would allow you to leverage on a much larger scale, with less impact on your cash flow. However, that basically limits you to real estate. I don’t have a lazy couple of hundred grand lying around, so for me real estate isn’t an option.

The Equity Builder does actually give you the choice to turn it into an Interest Only loan, but only for extremely low lending ratios. Once you get your LVR down to 30%, they allow you to suspend the principal repayments indefinitely. At that point the serviceability shoots up dramatically, so you could let the dividends pay the interest and reinvest the leftovers, then just sit back and watch your investment grow forever and a day. You could even borrow only 30% to start with and run the facility as IO from the start, but if that’s your game, then again, you’d probably be better off in real estate.

The personal touch

My experience with the Equity Builder so far has been extremely positive. In July 2018 I started a modest loan of $20,000, and then a month later we got another one in my wife’s name for a further $10,000. Small potatoes to get our toes moist. For both of our loans, we used shares we already owned as our deposits, rather than cash. That was a simple process of sending them a form telling them to transfer the shares out of our personal shareholding accounts and into the hands of their nominee, who holds them for the duration of the loan. We spent the $30K we borrowed on equal chunks of Milton (ASX:MLT), Vanguard’s Australian Shares Index ETF (ASX:VAS), and Vanguard’s International ETF (ASX:VGS). NAB were fast to respond to all my questions, they gave me clear but thorough answers, and it was easy to reach them by phone for further clarification when required. The process of setting up the loan and investing through it was quick and painless. The website interface was adequate, although not flashy, and not as smooth as it could have been, but personally I don’t need any bells and whistles on my investment products. The only mild frustration was waiting for the shares to be purchased at the start, watching the markets bob up and down without knowing exactly when the purchase would go through. But, as I said before, this loan really just encourages a long term outlook.

We structured both our loans with maximum duration of 3 years, but we’re way ahead of that schedule. We’ve made additional repayments every month, in part because it’s handy to be able to throw small amounts into the market on a regular basis without paying brokerage, and also because the guaranteed 5% return (on interest saved) looked better than the overall share market during the past few months. We paid off my wife’s loan very quickly, since she gets less benefit from the tax deductible interest than I do (since she’s on a lower marginal tax rate), and we finished paying it down last week. As soon as we made the last payment, we sent NAB a request to transfer her shares from the nominee into her personal shareholding account, and it only took a couple of days for them to be transferred, no questions asked. We’ll probably close her loan facility shortly, a simple and cost free process. The loan in my name is now down to below 30% LVR, so I could switch it over to Interest Only, except that I prefer to keep reducing the Principal anyway.

I wrote about this loan in my financial plan a little while ago, and I’m quite pleased with how it’s been going in that context. It’s helped us to build up our portfolios a little quicker than we could have if we’d been saving cash in the bank to make share purchases with. Most importantly, it’s given us a first taste of how leverage can function, and taught us that debt is something to be cautious about, but not afraid of. Towards our longer term plan, it’s given us a larger base of stock equity to use as a deposit for the next, larger, gearing package, while also increasing our passive cash flow to help us service the next chunk of debt. I’m calling it now; this experiment has been a resounding success.

The Infinitesimals

ScreenslaverI’ve discussed the Equity Builder with several other investors online, and a common query I hear is “Isn’t this actually just a margin loan in disguise?” Even though the Equity Builder claims to eliminate the risk of margin calls associated with more mainstream stock loans, there are a few other risks involved. There’s a risk that the list of approved shares could change, and if the shares you’ve invested in get removed, or have their minimum LVRs changed to higher than your LVR, then NAB reserves the right to sell your investments, which carries the risk of unwanted capital gains tax liability. The approved shares are chosen for the list based on their size and liquidity, so, in the event of a serious market crash then it’s possible that even the big old LICs and ETFs might get disqualified. However, it would have to be a truly cataclysmic event, which would also hit all the alternative gearing options. This is significantly different from a margin loan, where something as simple as normal price fluctuations can push your loan into the danger zone. The Equity Builder is a whole lot more secure than that.

There’s also a risk that the variable interest rate could rise, and indeed it did just a few months ago. When I started using it, the rate was only 4.95%, but it went up 0.1% late last year. It didn’t bother me because it’s still well below the dividend yields I’m getting from it. And of course, as always, there’s the ever present risk that your investments could decline in value, and this loss would be amplified by the gearing. So do your homework, make informed decisions, and always borrow less than you can afford.

I’m not affiliated with NAB in any way, apart from owning a few of their shares. I don’t stand to gain financially from you deciding to invest with them. Nothing written above should be taken as personal financial advice, I’m not a qualified accountant or advisor. Do your own research, your mileage may vary, etc etc etc.


  1. I have been waiting for a write up on this product – so thank you.
    I am still unclear if CGT is paid when shares change hands to NAB Nominee and back again to you at the end of the loan? I have read the PDS a zillion times and cannot see the answer. Do you know?


    1. Thanks for the question! Neither depositing the shares to the nominee nor taking them back at the end are capital gains events, so you don’t have to worry about capital gains tax at all.

      I’ve added a note into the article to make that clearer.


    2. Great review, thanks!

      When you transferred your ETFs/LICs from the Nab EB account to your personal brokerage account, were you able to transfer them onto your old HIN? As far as I understand, NAB give you a new HIN when they purchase the ETF/LIC, so I was wondering if it was easy to merge your holdings together once you pay off the loan (i.e. I want to buy VGS with EB but already own VGS in my personal brokerage account, will those holdings ‘merge’ in Computershare?).


  2. HI mate,
    Thank you for a break down on this investment vehicle.

    I have two questions.

    1) when you purchase the shares and use shares as secruity, do they go in your traditional brokerage account when you log in and it’s all together? And do you need to transfer shares out of your traditional brokerage account that act as secruity?
    2) With franking credits likely to be abolished, I wonder if this product would still be positively geared?

    Thanks again for the effort and time you put into this article!


    The Incompetent Investor


    1. The shares you deposit and the ones you buy with the loan all go into the Equity Builder account. They won’t be in your own brokerage account for the duration of the loan.

      Labor have never proposed getting rid of franking credits; they’re just (talking about) getting rid of franking credit refunds. That won’t affect anyone who’s still working / paying income tax. So I don’t think it’ll have any affect on this, unless you’re already retired, or if you’re borrowing within your SMSF.


  3. Just curious about the process. Do you put forward $30k worth of shares as collateral against the $30k loan? I can’t find any information on this option on the NAB website, if you have a link/brochure that would be great


    1. You can put in either cash or shares as the deposit. The amount your deposit needs to be depends on what you invest in. Most of the LICs and ETFs require 25% or 30% deposit, but some of the managed funds don’t need as much.


  4. With your repayments, did you choose the Home Loan Method or the Straight Line Method? The HLM has a higher interest charge overall compared to the SLM. I’m guessing since interest is deductible, you’d want to maximise the interest expense rather than pay off principal? However with the SLM, since you’re paying down principal, can you then drawdown on that principal and buy more shares without extending the total facility limit?


    1. We chose the Straight Line Method. I want to reduce how much I have to pay, that’s more important to me than deductibility.

      Yes, with both methods you can redraw from your repayments, but only from the portion of repayments that you made voluntarily. The regularly scheduled repayments are locked away, because you must stick to the schedule. To go beyond that you need to apply for a new loan (you can have more than one going at the same time).


  5. “When you factor in the 100% franking credits on the dividends, that gives you a grossed up annual yield of 6.1% and rising. ” – How do you think this strategy would work with ETFs that are more growth focus and dont provide Franking credits such as IVV/IJR… Thanks for the article!


  6. Do you know if one can still participate in DRP if the shares are held in trust by the NAB trustees? Don’t want to lose the DRP discount for some of the LICs 🙂


  7. Thanks for the write-up, very useful.

    > you can apply for a larger amount and spend it in smaller portions whenever you’re ready.

    > If you’re the kind of person who wants to make small weekly or monthly deposits into your share holdings, but you don’t want to pay a premium on management fees, then buy cheap ETFs or LICs through the Equity Builder, and make as many repayments as you like. It effectively rolls all of your small transactions into a single up-front $14.95 brokerage fee.

    I am interested in the mechanics of this idea. From reading their documentation, it seems you effectively purchase the shares using borrowed funds via a two-page document that needs to be filled in and sent to NAB. Maybe it takes a few days for them to process the doc, then the order is filled.

    Are you saying that rather than a weekly investment in shares via an online broker (incurring brokerage), you make the equivalent yearly investment (for example) via NAB then your weekly investment becomes repayments instead?

    If your weekly investment amount was $500, it would seem painful to fill in that form every week and apply for an increase in $500 of your investment, then pay it off immediately just to dodge brokerage. Perhaps I’m missing something here?


    1. Yes, that’s the general idea. But instead of borrowing $500 per week and paying it off immediately, borrow $26,000 and pay off $500 per week for one year. At the end of the year you have the full amount paid off, and you’ve only paid brokerage on the one initial $26K purchase, while still making the small weekly contributions.


  8. Hey mate, good post. I am struggling to understand how the investment can be cash flow positive. The EB Loan you have taken is $20k @ 3 years -> $7,198.44 P&I payments per year. $20k in shares @ 6.1% yield give you $1,220/year so to me this is a cash flow negative position of $5,978.44/year. Yes you have deductible interests however they don`t change much the calculation.


    1. Correct, it’s cash flow negative, but gearing positive. The dividend income is greater than the interest cost, hence positively geared. But the principle repayments mean that the cash flow is negative.


      1. Yep, on a 3y loan still works out around 15% ROI which is not bad + you get the benefit of buying whenever you want at $0 commission 😉


  9. Hey mate, great review of this product. One question – when you say ‘CHESS-sponsored’ what do you mean? Since the shares are non-beneficially held by NMS Nominees Pty Ltd, I would think that this is still a custodian relationship (as opposed to direct ownership) – what do you think?


    1. They’re held by “Kurt c/- NMS Nominees”. So they’re held in trust temporarily, and revert to your personal HIN once you finish paying for them. But meanwhile they’re still in your name for voting rights, dividend entitlements, etc.


  10. Good write up. They main thing putting me off this is the possibility of the interest rate rising. In my view, anything much higher than the current 5% starts to make the eb look questionable given the long term average market return is something like 7% (i think). Is this something you’ve thought about much. I suppose any changes in interest rate are probably likely to be relatively small.


    1. Yeah, I’m not concerned. The interest rate is unlikely to go higher than the dividend yield, so it should keep paying for itself.

      Ultimately my long term strategy is to accumulate a very large share portfolio and living off the dividends, ignoring the capital prices. Gearing into it just gets me there quicker, as long as it remains positively geared.


  11. Hi there – very simple and possibly stupid/novice question – the shares (30% of loan value) that you give as a security: are they still yours and are you still earning dividends/capital gains on them while they’re being used as security?

    So it would only be if you default on the loan, then they would take those shares from you?


  12. Thanks for good write up. I have newbie question.
    As this is positively geared, should i invest EB under my wife’s name or my name ? My wife has retired and i’m still working.


  13. Thanks again for a detailed review of this product. I just have a look and see the interest rate is dropped to 4.55% and due to it’s a variable rate. I assume if the interest rate trend is going down further, the spread between the EB interest rate and the dividend and franking credit may be wider, which makes it even more positive gearing.

    Please could I ask a few questions?
    1. You mentioned that you can transfer shares from your personal broker account to be held as a deposit in the nominee trust as a security of the loan. Let’s say I have $30,000 market value worth of AFI in my personal broker and I aim to borrow $70,000 from EB to buy VAS for the LVR requirement of 70%.

    Let’s say next month the market value of AFI is lower to $25,000, do I need to deposit cash $5,000 to the nominee to maintain the 70% LVR? I don’t think I need to do this as EB does not have a margin call requirement. But, I just want to make sure the LVR is calculated from the day the market value of my stock is transferred to the nominee. After that, if the market value of the stock drops, it’s not a problem.

    2. If the LVR is 30%, I can choose to run the EB program as an interest-only loan. Would the valuation of LVR happen every day, or whenever you send a request to NAB? and if after the valuation is done to prove the LVR on that day is 30%, if the market value of the security drops the next day, would the loan will flick back to P/I?

    3. Does the stock to be transferred to the nominee to be held as security also need to be the stock in the approved list of EB? Let’s say I have small-cap or biotech stocks outside the approved list, can I use them as security?

    4. You mentioned that to save the brokerage fee, I can purchase the large portion of share in one go (let’s say I buy $70,000 VAS and pay $14.95 brokerage), then I can deposit cash weekly or monthly to pay off the principal and interest of the EB loan per schedule.

    But to do this it means I must have a gut that I will buy the large portion of share in a lucky day. I normally prefer to do DCA method to buy a smaller portion monthly or fortnightly. If I do the DCA, would it mean I will need to pay $14.95 each time I buy the share in EB program?

    5. Let’s say I start my portfolio today and the next 5 years the interest rate trend reverts to uptrend and narrowing the spread between the dividend and EB interest rate. Can I choose to sell up the whole portfolio to realise the capital gain (after set aside some gain to pay for CGT) and tip in extra cash to pay out the loan principal? Is there any penalty to end the loan term early?

    Thank you very much again.



  14. Hi,

    Thanks for the write up – great for a beginner looking to set up Equity Builder.

    One question – ‘re-drawing’ to buy new shares? How does this specifically work? I kinda get the concept but still a little unsure on the steps you would take to do this and the rules around it.

    My general understanding is,
    – You pay extra on top of the scheduled payments
    – This money is available to you if you want it
    – You can take that money out whenever you like and buy additional shares with it

    It is that last step that I am confused about. Is that a simple as telling NAB that “I’d like to take out the $5k I’ve got available as a re-draw and buy $5k worth of shares”? Or is there more steps involved?


    1. Yep, it really is that simple, I’ve done it a couple of times already. You just shoot NAB an email, they send you a one-page form to fill in, and you send it back by email.

      However, the minimum purchase allowed is $10K for each bundle.


      1. Oh great thanks. I found the ‘Re-Draw’ form but couldn’t work out how to actually then spend that money to buy more shares. Sounds easy enough! I’ll shoot them an email.


  15. G’day Mate, I’m stoked to have found this article.
    Have been considering the EB but just wanted to know how it’d impact my cashflow paying back the P&I repayments. Is there a way to estimate repayments?
    Eg, 20k borrowed over 3 years


  16. “ For both of our loans, we used shares we already owned as our deposits, rather than cash. That was a simple process of sending them a form telling them to transfer the shares out of our personal shareholding accounts and into the hands of their nominee, who holds them for the duration of the loan.”

    How does this work in practice? If I have say 5k of VGS in Selfwealth and I want to use $4,286 deposit for a 10k loan (think this is correct) how do they take this amount from my existing shares? Surely they wouldn’t be able to get that exact number? And what are the benefits of using shares as the deposit instead of cash? Struggling to understand 😦

    Also with the SLM/HLM method, sounds like one is locked in with monthly repayments (so you can’t pay it down quicker?) and one isn’t?

    Thanks so much for the detailed article!


    1. You just fill in a form stating the *number* of shares you want to transfer from your SelfWealth to the Equity Builder. You might not be able to get the decimal points correct, but it should matter much.

      There’s not really any difference between depositing cash instead of shares. I used shares because I already had shares, and didn’t want to wait to save up a cash deposit.

      I think that both the SLM and HLM methods allow you to pay down the principal with extra repayments whenever you like. The only difference is that one will auto-debit the same principal amount each month, while the other will auto-debit a different amount each month calculated on a sliding scale.


      1. Hi
        Great article answered slot of my questions. One question I still had related to using existing shares in lieu of a cash deposit. Do the existing shares need to be in the same company I am buying shares in


  17. Thank you for writing this article – it has answered a lot of my questions about NAB Equity Builder. At the time of writing this the NAB Equity Builder interest rate is 3.9%. I’m planning to borrow to invest in MLT, ARGO and VAS. Do you think it is a good idea given the current market situation? I understand you can only give general advise. Thank you.


  18. Hi,

    I am thinking to apply this loan. I have saving around $40K.
    I earn $120K per year while my wife works only part time and earns $35K.
    My question is –
    For tax benefits, I should take this loan on my name correct??


    1. It depends. You’ll get more use out of the tax deduction on the interest payments, yes. However, then the shares you buy will be earning dividends which will be taxed at your higher marginal tax rate. The interest deductions will last as long as the loan lasts, but the dividend tax will last as long as you hold the shares. If you intend to hold forever, it might still be better buying in your wife’s name.


      1. If you use the DSSP on shares that you purchase through the loan, then the interest repayments are not tax deductible. With a DSSP you technically don’t earn any income for the shares, and you can only claim tax deduction for interest paid on incoming producing investment loans.

        Instead, you could do the same thing, but use DRP (or take cash dividends) until you finish paying off the loan, and then switch to DSSP after that.


    2. You should take the loan in the name of the person who will be the owner of the shares.
      Who should be the owner will depend on a number of things other than income tax. There are estate planning considerations for example.

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  19. Thankyou for the comprehensive and well written article.

    I did not quite understand the following: ‘There’s a risk that the list of approved shares could change, and if the shares you’ve invested in get removed, or have their minimum LVRs changed to higher than your LVR, then NAB reserves the right to sell your investments, which carries the risk of unwanted capital gains tax liability.’

    I understand that most ETF’s (my investment option of choice) have a security ratio of 70-75% for EB meaning that the initial deposit needs to be 25-30%. With respect to the above, are you saying that NAB could change the security ratio (maximum initial gearing amount) of a particular ETF to say 65% from 70% which if you do not comply with they can sell your investment’s.

    Again excellent article. I now feel much more informed about the benefit’s and risks pertaining to this particular investment vehicle.


    1. Yes, they do reserve the right to change the maximum LVR, which could potentially leave you needing to either repay a chunk of principal or sell some shares. But that’s not quite what the passage you quoted means.

      Say you want to invest in VAS. Currently, VAS is one of the ETFs you are allowed to invest in with the Equity Builder, so that’s fine. (You’ll find a list of approved ETFs on their website.) However, they reserve the right to remove VAS (etc) from the list of ETFs you’re allowed to have in the Equity Builder.


  20. Thanks for this article. I’m interested in your thoughts on taking on a loan for 1-2% returns. Personally this seems like a low return on additional risk but I’m interested to see how you think about this.


    1. I don’t really see it that way at all, to be honest. The gross dividends are ~5%, and the interest is less than that, so I see it as a no-brainer.

      At the time when I finished paying off my first Equity Builder loan, my annualised return was more than 10%. I’ve taken out a few more parcels since then, and the returns have been chaotic because of the pandemic, but they’re still doing way better than the figures you’re using. Are you factoring in the dividends?


      1. Thanks for the reply, no I hadn’t properly factored in cap gains and dividends. Sill, if we stick to Milton. The loan interest is 5%, Milton pays 6% dividend when considering franking according to your example and has risen on average about 4% per year capital gains over the past year. You are still paying tax on the dividends and if you sell, on the cap gains. I guess with a high dividend product you potentially avoid the risk of selling. So you are making 5% but paying tax on some of that.

        If I borrow $100k then I’m making $50k less whatever tax I pay over 10 years. Much better than the 1-2% I quoted but still taking on $100k debt for $5k a year return. I’m quite adverse to debt so it is probably an emotional thing driving this rather than the numbers. I can imagine many people would sign up for 5% return when leveraged.


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